Oh trust me it is legit. This society was founded in 1956.
Some people think that the Christian religeon is a joke with a giant man creating everything. So try to view somethings from other angles.
It's funny, because Christianity had formed a lot of things in the world. For example, we live in 2012 Anno Domini, aka the Year of the Lord. Then there's Easter and Christmas. (Giant man? Really?)
But yeah, I see your point. Even though you called these guys a joke yourself. But these guys would be easy to prove wrong.
I'm a man of science and am 100% athiest and do not believe in any sort of religeon. Let's stop here before we get into an argument.
I'm in a good point to compare flat earth society an society because I am not biased in any religeon, (I also lack knowledge in both).
Earth being carried by elephants and turtles sounds as stupid as an apple giving you wisdom. Just saying.
I will give christianity credit for easter and christmas, I like presents and easter eggs.. Oh I'm kidding.
Oh, man! Every time I'm about to get into an argument about religion, the other person stops it. Besides, you could almost call science a religion, with the Big Bang and Darwin's Theory of Evolution.
Ok let's have an argument on religion. No hard feelings about this bud.
But what has science done for us? Lights, computers, GM products, transport and all that other technoligy.
"Proof for Christianity? You don't need proof! You only need faith!".
"Science only has theories!".
That is all.
I don't mean all science. I mean the stupid theories that have no real basis. Just the other day, my maths teacher was telling my class how the moon crashed into Earth long ago, and spiralled out to where it is now, and that this can be proven because some rocks on Earth are very similar to those on the moon. That's a load of crap. Also, you have a misconception about Christianity right there. It's not like that at all. Miracles happen, God changes lives. If you don't believe in God, cry out to him, challenge him to prove that he exists. Go to church for once, talk to a pastor, tell them you don't believe in God, and you want proof. Some might say you just need to have faith, but a good pastor will say much more than that, I assure you.
“my maths teacher was telling my class how the moon crashed into Earth long ago, and spiralled out to where it is now, and that this can be proven because some rocks on Earth are very similar to those on the moon. That's a load of crap”
You know this could be very true, you don't have any proof disproving it (This statement could be used against science), it sounds very logical to me.
I honestly have no knowledge about Christianity. We won't get far with this argument.
Think. A rock the size of the moon crashing into Earth, and all the evidence they have is a few similar rocks. The Earth's clearly still in orbit around the sun, there's no massive crater. And my maths teacher is also an author, and I think he teaches history or classics or something. He just happened to be telling us during maths. And get more knowledge about Christianity, seriously.
I'd really preffer learning about something useful like Programming, thanks.
*Gives up* It was worth a try.
Let's try and keep religion and/or politics out of this, okay?
I just want to say this. The theory is not that the moon itself crashed into the earth and "bounced" off, but that a large meteor (don't know or care if that's the correct terminology), one smaller than the moon itself, crashed into the still-forming earth, which was at the time still mostly molten lava in a spherical shape, and knocked a large amount of it into space. It didn't go far however, instead forming a sphere orbiting the earth. The earth was not knocked out of orbit with the sun because the meteor was not large enough to do so. However, it probably was pushed in closer toward the sun by a small amount. Much like a powerful earthquake can shift the earth's axis, but only by an incredibly small amount.
If you really want to hear more about this theory, I can try to explain it. Message me though, don't reply on here. And don't bring your religious debate with you, I don't like that stuff. Only message me if you really want to know.
Indeed, here is a good video to show it.
The earth has no crater because it spins. as it spins, it becomes rounder and rounder because of the centripetal force. the earth's matter gets dragged to the direction of the core and the crater gets smoothed out. it's like rolling a piece of play-doh, make a hole in it, then rolling it again. but instead you have a big stone ball being rolled by millions of years.
Just a couple corrections:
(1) Being a scientist and being a Christian are not mutually exclusive. I know plenty of good, knowledgeable scientists who share the same Christian beliefs as I do.
(2) An "apple giving you wisdom" isn't at all what the book of Genesis describes. It does say "fruit", but given the amount of details we have to go on, it could be a "metaphorical" fruit (not sure what that would mean, but still), and much less specifically an apple.
Anyways, just felt compelled to explain that. xD I agree though, would prefer to have no arguments here. We'll save that for another thread.
Just one final clarification, Roman Catholics do not interpret the first 12 (I think it's 11 or 12, not sure) chapters of Genesis literally, so we don't necessarily believe that the story of Adam & Eve actually occurred.
I guess I understand them thinking photoshop was used for the pictures, but what about the videos? Also, if there are no satellites than how is Google Maps possible? Was it all drawn by hand?
"Arguing over the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."
We have plenty of other old craters, and last time I looked the moon was still whole. I don't think it would be after such an impact. Also, that doesn't explain why the Earth was tilted off axis, yet its path remains completely unchanged. Oh, didn't see the other posts. Well, that's if you believe in the Big Bang.
Hm, yes. But there are also people who say the book of Revelations was put in as a nice bit of poetry. I, personally, find Catholics a bit odd, and much too traditional.
Zai, I'm terribly sorry I turned this thread into an argument. I kinda do want a thread for these kinds of arguments, though. Who wants to argue the origins of the universe next?
There's nothing wrong with arguments, everyone wants to proove their point.
Arguments are healthy unless it starts turning into a war about insulting the other person instead of arguing for the actual subject.
Nice magically appearing water. And life.
Please re-watch the video, you will notice it is shown over millions of years, does not include a lot of information as the video is only 5 or so mins long. Water came on earth through various sources and as a result of millions of years of been hit by additional asteriods and cooling effects done by the planet as it stabilised.
As for life, during all these stages life was created:
If you're going or wanting to debate the origins of life (which is more then fine), then you should have a good understanding of Evolultion and a few other related theories, such as string theory.
Also i'm going to say, that if you're unable to be open minded and listen / watch, then no one will have a debate with you. You seem religious which is fine, but there is a differance between sciance and religion. Sciance doesn't prove or dis-prove religion, it doesn't intend too. Sciance isn't about being right, it's about exploration and finding facts about life itself. That can be proven by any and everyone and apply to us all.
Sciance and religion are on two oppisit sides of the spectrum, religion is about finding why life exists and opens the minds of others to a possible after life. It tries but fails hard to make people open minded, to be kind and selfless. But religion is in-fact the cause of most wars, conflicts and suffering that we have today. Even today religion stops people from being happy and free to exspress themselves. There is a large arrogance with religion and you can't say the same for sciance. Even christianity has been used to enslave, punish and kill millions of lives over the years.
Sciance doesn't try to be right, we are constantly changing our understanding of our beliefs when new information comes up, sciance is a life long rollercoaster of new discovery and better unerstanding, as well as that understanding being used to create new technology and cure diseases. If you ask sciantiests some big questions, like where did strings come from and form, what was the multi-verse like before the big bang. They would say they don't know and look eager to find out. Religion will always try to have an awnser based on faith, or simply say it never happened.
Yay, we just done about this in chemistry. MY TURN TO BE A NERD! W00t
After the Earth cooled, there were LOTS of volcations, that released steam, carbon dioxide, moltas? and nitrogen <--- I know steam and CO2 are there. Anyway, over millions of years, these turned into Almino Acids, which the building bricks for life! Eventually the steam released turned to water, and plant, from the almino acids, were created! (omg luck!) eventually loads of CO2 was removed from the atmosphere and they eventually transformed into other organisms, like Microbes and animals. Then it all just kicked in with the meteor killing the dinosaurs and us... but there are also 2 or so other theories like what the game 'Spore' was based on (random meteor carrying microbes hit Earth and then they evolved and stuff).
I guess you could believe the religios way, I've seen some form of 'proof' for religion. The 4th dimension ! When God comes and speaks to people, he shows part of himself in our 3 dimensions... just check that video on the 4th dimension thread... the second one.
Sorry if this was unreadable, I was so excited; this is my first time I could be a nerd over the internet, WOOOOH!
Edited by Antarus, 05 June 2012 - 01:10 PM.